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Arcanis the Omnipotent · Mar 15, 2006, 12:55 AM // 00:55

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Originally Posted by EternalTempest

In order to not be jumped on, you have to:

Counter with logical / or at least thought out arugments as to why and acknowledege other points of view and state why it's not valid, valid (but not enough to switch), or not related.

Not start with the feeling if we don't agree with you were an "idiot" or then attack anyone that disagree with you and ignore personal attacks against you.

I didnt say "idiot" because people didnt agree with me

I said idiot because people were arguing against a point I wasnt even making. Jumping to conclusions I wasnt pointing at, and creating their own topic, away from what I said in the first place.

Thom · Mar 15, 2006, 02:45 AM // 02:45

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Originally Posted by Arcanis the Omnipotent

If Factions is a stand alone game, then why is so much emphasis being placed on the Ritualist and Assassin Classes?

My point is that Factions plays independently of Prophecies. Because of this, somebody might be playing GW for the first time with Factions alone. And with this in mind, all the special preorder items, all the special features in the CE edition, all are only pointed toward the two new classes.

So if this is a stand alone game, why do all the special features smell like an expansion?

Ummm... it is a standalone game. The "yet not" part of your statement is silly. It smells like an expansion because for a large portion of the people buying it will be a continuation. The idea of expansion and standalone aren't mutually exclusive here. The game will be both fully playable by itself and will fully support characters from the original game. So it is an Expanding Standalone but not any less of a standalone product.

Trying to make this into some sort of a negative argument is silly and that is why everyone is laughing at you. I get your point and you are wrong in part.

Arcanis the Omnipotent · Mar 15, 2006, 04:20 AM // 04:20

People are laughing at me because they didnt understand what I was saying. And therefore I'm laughing right back at them

As for what I was trying to say, no, that's not it at all. And I'm surprised more people really arent upset with it.

What my problem stems from is the special material you pay so much extra for to get. People could by the plain game, but most people try to get the extra materials.

In this case, the extra materials are class specific around the two new classes. By this, they are treating the extra materials as if they were extras for an expansion, not a stand alone. Which was my point. If this were extras for a stand alone, they would have done the preorder like they did last time. Each store gets a different version and a different special weapon.

In the Collector's Edition the Divine Aura-like extra would be applied to each character you create, not just the two new classes.

You see, while they are trying to promote the two new classes, and promote them heavily, that's not the point. The point is that the extra materials they are giving to the people who buy the expanded box sets should be all encompassing to the characters they create, and not just specific to two classes that are being added as of this game.

So Stand alone product, but the extras are not.

The Extras are extras for an Expansion
The game is stand alone

Stand alone, yet not.

Any more questions about my point, or should we just get back to calling me a moron and laughing at me for no reason?

>_>

Mordakai · Mar 15, 2006, 04:54 AM // 04:54

We get what your problem with the CE is Arcanis.

It's just no one agrees with you...

As I said, I think they're saving more special dances for other professions in later Chapters. In any case, the CE's are more than "Divine Aura" and "Special Dances."

It's art books, voice chat, mouse pads, etc., etc. You're taking a very small bit of the CE and (IMO) blowing it out of proportion.

Oh, and your manners and insults certainly don't help your case.

I agree with you, close the thread.

Studio Ghibli · Mar 15, 2006, 04:59 AM // 04:59

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Originally Posted by Arcanis the Omnipotent

heard*

you*

weren't*

Learn to spell.

Ad hominem.

Not bad.

How about we stop addressing superficial qualities and return to the main issue at hand?

Zehnchu · Mar 15, 2006, 05:01 AM // 05:01

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Originally Posted by Arcanis the Omnipotent

People could by the plain game, but most people try to get the extra materials.

Since you are going to rage on people about spelling
buy* not by

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In this case, the extra materials are class specific around the two new classes. By this, they are treating the extra materials as if they were extras for an expansion, not a stand alone. Which was my point. If this were extras for a stand alone, they would have done the preorder like they did last time. Each store gets a different version and a different special weapon.

In the Collector's Edition the Divine Aura-like extra would be applied to each character you create, not just the two new classes.

You see, while they are trying to promote the two new classes, and promote them heavily, that's not the point. The point is that the extra materials they are giving to the people who buy the expanded box sets should be all encompassing to the characters they create, and not just specific to two classes that are being added as of this game.

So Stand alone product, but the extras are not.

The Extras are extras for an Expansion
The game is stand alone

Stand alone, yet not.

Any more questions about my point, or should we just get back to calling me a moron and laughing at me for no reason?

>_>

Since Factions has two new classes why would they not promote them? Can you get special items for the rituatalist or Assassin in Prophecies?

And the rolls are reversed if Factions only owners buy Prophecies where is all this extra stuff for the two new classes.

Studio Ghibli · Mar 15, 2006, 05:05 AM // 05:05

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Originally Posted by Arcanis the Omnipotent

It is a stand alone game in that it can be played by itself, but the promotional items are being treated like that of an expansion, so they're marketing all this in a stupid way. Like Twicky said, they're doing it like Card Games. Giving you the new stuff, making you want to buy the old stuff.

And that's not smart marketing, its stupid. You dont make people want to buy your product more when you limit the ammount of copies of the special type. You just make people angry at you for not providing the product they want.

In any case, I took one of your posts explaining your position, removed the useless information, and retained an answer--YOUR answer, in fact.

It's a stand alone. I agree. You agree. It may not be the best stand-alone out there, but there are marketing decisions behind it. Yes, the stand-alone does focus its bonuses more on the Assassin and the Ritualist, but it's -still- stand-alone.

While you may say it's a stupid marketing decision, this is Anet's company, and they believe it's their best decision--and, no offense intended, since you -don't- run a large online game, let alone a business (at least, I assume not), or have had some experience even marketing games--like, say, Diablo 2, then.. :shrugs:

In short, we agree.

It's stand-alone.

You just don't like how it's being marketed.

End of thread.

Arcanis the Omnipotent · Mar 15, 2006, 05:22 AM // 05:22

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

We get what your problem with the CE is Arcanis.

It's just no one agrees with you...

As I said, I think they're saving more special dances for other professions in later Chapters. In any case, the CE's are more than "Divine Aura" and "Special Dances."

It's art books, voice chat, mouse pads, etc., etc. You're taking a very small bit of the CE and (IMO) blowing it out of proportion.

Oh, and your manners and insults certainly don't help your case.

I agree with you, close the thread.

FINE DONT AGREE WITH ME. But I'm not the one who started the name calling, the bullshit or the crappy sarcastic pissant posts. I called people idiots in retaliation, I didnt start this flambe of posts..

My manners and insults, Your manners and insults aswell.. Along with everyone else. I insulted once, I have been insulted atleast 20 times. My manners, when I posted were fine. My manners after I was insulted were less than perfect and understandably so.

"Dont like how people post, leave" Well, I'm stubborn and not leaving. But for being told on a few occasions in this thread that I was being stupid and was just trying to bring down the community, I dont think the community can be brought down much further...

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Originally Posted by Studio Ghibli

Ad hominem.

Not bad.

How about we stop addressing superficial qualities and return to the main issue at hand?

You mean like the person I said to that was doing?

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Originally Posted by Zehnchu

Since Factions has two new classes why would they not promote them? Can you get special items for the rituatalist or Assassin in Prophecies?

And the rolls are reversed if Factions only owners buy Prophecies where is all this extra stuff for the two new classes.

It doesnt work like that. In the Prophecies chapter, you could buy the stuff for the classes. In Factions you cant. And in your reverse situtation, it doesnt apply since the classes dont exist in that game. I'm talking about specialties for all the classes in the game. As the two new classes dont exist in Proph, your situation doesnt make sense.

yup, we went back to calling me a moron.

Do you guys even see how your posting, or is it just me? Slanderous, piss filled posts more attacking me than answering the thread.

And why am I still bothering? This topic has turned into nothing more than flame bait...

I'm just gonna save myself some time, report it and be done with it..